[Menvi-discuss] Braille Music Organization

Rachel Grider rachel.grider at gmail.com
Fri Aug 30 17:08:39 UTC 2013 

My biggest problem with NLS is (1) they don't have a big selection, not much in the way of twentieth-century music or anything very obscure, (2) their editions are usually poor and often outdated, (3) they don't have a lot of full scores, which are essential for analysis, (4) they are very disorganized, (5) not all their material is available in WebBraille,and (6) their material is not available to folks outside the U.S. The head of NLS is interested in my project, and he is going to be in touch with me. If they are willing to address these issues, I will be happy to help in any way I can. If not, I'm going to need to start a new organization which meets these needs. 

Rachel 

On 30 Aug 2013, at 8:49, David Tseng <davidtseng at gmail.com> wrote:

> In all fairness, they seem quite understaffed. In the long run, I
> would like to see them digitize all of their print selections. Also,
> for all of their music which is public domain, they should offer it
> without geographic restrictions. Since doing so would probably cost
> nothing if offered as a download. Borrowing hard copies would be
> another matter.
> 
> From mobile
> 
> On Aug 30, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs
> <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> I don't know why NLS doesn't then charge a yearly subscription like Bookshare or Learning Allie to their out of country folks.
>> I know they are really unorganized up there because I never get reminders to turn in my books. I had my Brahms requiem for a year last year and didn't get any kind of notice asking me to return it.
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>> 
>> On 8/30/2013 7:55 AM, Sandra Gayer wrote:
>>> In that case, I can see why they may have decided to ban international
>>> lending. I don't understand why they won't let us use the Web Braille
>>> files. It wouldn't cost anyone anything to give us that access.
>>> 
>>> Going back to The Marrakesh Treaty, the other slightly grey area is
>>> the commercial availability element. I remember something about the
>>> printed materials being shared, provided there was a lack of
>>> commercial availability in the country getting the Braille copies.
>>> 
>>> Very best wishes,
>>> Sandra.
>>> 
>>> On 8/30/13, Bettie & Bill Downing <bnbdowning70 at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I think one of the problems is that this is paid for by the American tax
>>>> payer.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Kaiti Shelton wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> While I would hope that eventually NLS's music files and other
>>>>> resources will be made available to qualified patrons from countries
>>>>> other than the U.S, I agree that if this is going to be a parallel to
>>>>> IMSLP it may need to be hosted on it's own.  I would be interested to
>>>>> see what people involved in getting the treaty passed like Scott
>>>>> LaBarre might say about braille music, but the treaty really doesn't
>>>>> specify whether it effects all braille materials or just literary code
>>>>> works.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The other thing to consider is that if this database were going to
>>>>> mirror IMSLP it would have to be free and really easy to use.  I
>>>>> appreciate how I can just go on IMSLP without having to log in or
>>>>> remember a password and just look up the print music I need.  I think
>>>>> if this were to work in a similar way it would be fantastic!
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 8/29/13, Bettie & Bill Downing <bnbdowning70 at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Sept. 16, 1996 Clinton signed into law a provision for printed materials
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> braille to be reproduced and distributed without permission from the
>>>>>> publisher.  This did NOT include music.  From what I read about the
>>>>>> Marrakesh Treaty, it, too, does not refer to music.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 29, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Sandra Gayer wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>> NLS used to lend out to other countries. I live in Europe and I was
>>>>>>> reading books and listening to tapes from NLS and Canada until the mid
>>>>>>> naughties. It was their decision to stop lending out and The Marrakesh
>>>>>>> Treaty will give organisations the legal rite to share content.
>>>>>>> However, it definitely won't force anyone to do anything!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Very best wishes,
>>>>>>> Sandra.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/28/13, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>> With the treaty that was just passed at WIPO, I believe NLS will soon
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> made world wide.
>>>>>>>> I would love to see this. Also if we could have IPA translations for
>>>>>>>> pieces that would really be awesome as well.
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 8/28/2013 11:51 AM, Sandra Gayer wrote:
>>>>>>>>> People can't access NLS files, even web braille files. If you're just
>>>>>>>>> adding to their selection, that just means more music people in
>>>>>>>>> Europe
>>>>>>>>> can't read.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Very best wishes,
>>>>>>>>> Sandra.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 8/28/13, Rachel Grider <rachel.grider at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> no. I have emailed someone at NLS about possibly working with them
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> simply adding to their database. I do not know if this would be an
>>>>>>>>>> option.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 28 Aug 2013, at 11:17, Bettie & Bill Downing
>>>>>>>>>> <bnbdowning70 at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you thinking of putting files that are in NLS in your database?
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't
>>>>>>>>>>> think that's allowed.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Rachel Grider wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, Everyone:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am looking to start an organization thas focuses on collecting
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> brailling accessible music scores. It would ultimately be a sort
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> IMSLP
>>>>>>>>>>>> for the blind' giving blind folks full, free access to multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>> editions
>>>>>>>>>>>> of, ultimately, all music scores. It would be an expansion of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> database in the Library of Congress.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now, I would like to guage everyone's interest. Would this
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful for you? Would anyone be interested in helping with this,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>> this ever before been attempted?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you all for your help!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rachel
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