[Menvi-discuss] blind musicians with perfect pitch

Chris Smart csmart8 at cogeco.ca
Mon Sep 18 09:31:22 EDT 2017


Honestly i'm not sure.

Maybe it's a mental muscle that needs regular exercise?
Sometimes I wish I had a stronger memory for 
songs than perfect pitch. If I'm really nervous 
on a gig, I'll forget melodies to tunes.


At 01:03 AM 9/18/2017, you wrote:
>This was an amusing and somewhat informative 
>thread to read through. If someone is able to 
>identify notes correctly in most instruments but 
>not in every sound that has audable frequency, 
>what would you call that? A little while ago 
>another blind musician and I would joke that we 
>have perfect pitch on some days and not on other 
>days. I have no problem identifying notes on 
>instruments that are commonly played in wind 
>ensemble and orchestra and piano, but it seems 
>harder to just sing a certain note/frequency 
>(granted I have way more experience in playing 
>instrument than singing) or when I hear a car 
>horn or the tone produced when we press a phone 
>dial I can identify what note it sounds like but 
>not as accurately as on instruments. I hope this 
>makes sense. Whatever it is I appreciate my 
>ability to hear things the way I do (including 
>the fact that I cannot identify every single 
>sound as a note) but I don't think it's 
>absolute/perfect pitch. Thanks for a fun thread 
>to read through and participate in. --Miso On 
>9/17/17, Jared Rimer - MENVI webmaster via 
>Menvi-discuss <menvi-discuss at menvi.org> wrote: > 
>Yes.  I do know how to play it, but seeing if it 
>is in tune, I'm not > sure of because I wasnt 
>taught how to do that.  It was introduction to > 
>other types of instruments. > -- > Jared Rimer > 
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>Impaired > www.menvi.org > bridging the gap 
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>9/17/2017 12:37 PM, Chris Smart via 
>Menvi-discuss wrote: >> heheh oh yeah, recorders 
>can be way off. I have bad memories of grade 
>6 >> music class. Imagine more than 30 people 
>enthusiastically over-blowing >> recorders in an 
>echoing gymnasium. :) >> >> At 03:09 PM 
>9/17/2017, you wrote: >>> Hi Chris, The 
>difficulty with the recorder seems to be the 
>fact it >>> seems sharper, like the E may be a 
>little higher.  I've been told I >>> have 
>perfect pitch, for what it means.  I noticed 
>when they asked me >>> to identify the note, it 
>was harder to gague.  I understand what >>> 
>you're saying though, and its interesting. Jared 
>Rimer Music Education >>> Network for the 
>Visually Impaired www.menvi.org bridging the 
>gap >>> between the blind and music education 
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>Thanks! On 9/17/2017 10:17 AM, Chris >>> Smart 
>via Menvi-discuss wrote: > Jared, I'm curious 
>about something. >>> Are we using different 
>definitions > of perfect pitch? You say you 
>can >>> identify notes on one instrument but > 
>not another, i.e. recorder. I'm >>> going to 
>argue here that that, is not > perfect pitch, 
>also known as >>> absolute pitch. > > Fourth 
>octave B on the piano is the same pitch as >>> 
>on any other > instrument. It's fundamental is 
>around 500 hurtz. If >>> you can sing a B > note 
>that's in tune, without a reference, or >>> 
>identify one that is > played, on anything 
>capable of producing that >>> frequency tone, 
>that is > perfect pitch. > > Electrical hum in 
>North >>> America is 60 hurtz, and that sounds 
>like a note > between  first >>> octave 
>B-flat and B natural. similarly, if I hear 50 > 
>hurtz >>> electrical hum in the UK, my brain 
>immediately says "oh, that's a > >>> little 
>sharp of 1st octave G". > > At 12:23 PM 
>9/17/2017, you wrote: >>> >> Elizabeth, >> >> 
>You are definitely not rambling.  Even 
>today, >>> I've still got perfect >> pitch, and 
>my father baught my sister's >>> children 
>recorders.  I have a >> hard time telling 
>what notes those >>> are, as I haven't played 
>recorder >> since I learned it in elementary >>> 
>school, but I can tell perfect pitch >> on a 
>piano or string >>> instrument.  I did 
>remember that you can't blow >> too hard on 
>the >>> mouthpiece of the recorder or it'll 
>squeak.  I think I >> had one of >>> those 
>notes, but i know too, that there are different 
>tuned >> >>> recorders, and each one has 
>different notes for the wholes you need 
>to >>> >> hold down.  Thanks for posting, and 
>feel free to participate at >>> any >> time you 
>wish. >> >> Jared Rimer >> Music Education 
>Network for >>> the Visually Impaired >> 
>www.menvi.org >> bridging the gap between 
>the >>> blind and music education >> >> When 
>reporting broken links, please >>> kindly let us 
>know what web page >> you came from so we may 
>fix the >>> error as quickly as possible. 
>Thanks! >> >> On 9/17/2017 2:48 AM, Beth >>> 
>Smaligo via Menvi-discuss wrote: >>> Hello to 
>the discussion group, >>> >>> It's been 
>fascinating reading the latest chatter about 
>blind >>> >>> professional orchestral musicians. 
>I'm solid as far as musical >>> >>> 
>comprehension, but as far as execution I 
>wouldn't make the cut for an >>> >>> orchestra 
>now, although I played in a junior orchestra for 
>fourth >>> >>> through eighth graders in seventh 
>and eighth grade. Contra the >>> >>> stereotype, 
>I do not have perfect pitch, at least not 
>anymore. I have >>> >>> always been painfully 
>self-conscious about disclosing what I am >>> 
>about >>> to say, but as it's nothing remotely 
>inappropriate to post >>> publicly, >>> I might 
>as well ditch the introversion and open the >>> 
>floodgate. It >>> would probably have come up 
>one day since my mother, >>> an extremely >>> 
>gifted music educator and informal advocate for 
>blind >>> equality, might >>> have eventually 
>posted as such. It seems >>> apparently that I 
>had >>> perfect pitch until age 7. I cannot 
>recall >>> what that must have been >>> like, 
>nor can I imagine it now hard, as I >>> try, but 
>I must have had it >>> because if you asked, and 
>sometimes >>> when I was younger even when 
>not >>> asked, much to my chagrin at the >>> 
>time, both of my parents would say >>> to 
>certain people and retell me >>> that upon a key 
>being randomly >>> brushed up against or 
>deliberately >>> struck I would immediately >>> 
>invariably pipe up with unerring >>> accuracy 
>its note. We'll never know >>> how I lost it, 
>and I have my >>> limitations (OK I opened the 
>floodgate, >>> but I will not be a >>> research 
>subject), but my mom has this theory >>> that I 
>also >>> discovered that I was different, as in 
>how being blind >>> separated >>> me from the 
>other kids around second grade time because 
>the >>> others >>> didn't absolutely have to run 
>up and touch everything anymore, >>> or >>> at 
>least not nearly as much. This "discovering that 
>I was >>> >>> different," as she terms it, we 
>think psychologically traumatized me, >>> >>> 
>and one of the damages was the loss of this 
>mysterious gift of >>> >>> automatic ability to 
>name notes. I think also in consequence 
>my >>> >>> reliance on braille music is such 
>that I could use some formal ear >>> >>> 
>training. I'd love to learn to improvise in an 
>American folk style >>> >>> kind of way, and I 
>really appreciate jazz, though my tendencies 
>are >>> >>> definitely classical. I'm sorry: 
>perhaps it is that I've just >>> rambled >>> on 
>in a sort of self-pity, though this has 
>certainly not >>> been my >>> intention. I think 
>a lot, often too much, and when I >>> 
>journal >>> privately, I find that my entries 
>are seldom short or >>> without detail. >>> Some 
>of this is also the result of the expansive >>> 
>writing and clarity >>> drilled into an English 
>literature and >>> communication double 
>major >>> (that was my undergrad degree). 
>Anyway, >>> I recently had an almost >>> video 
>game-like dream like a fantasy >>> world 
>recently (and I've had >>> variations of this 
>dream over the >>> years) in which one of the 
>powers I >>> could acquire along the Path >>> to 
>Success in whatever fantasy world my >>> dream 
>had made up, >>> nonspecific as it was that I 
>could ever remember >>> upon awakening, >>> was 
>perfect pitch. I guess then in my dream, and 
>only >>> in those >>> particular fantasy-world 
>dreams, could I have perfect pitch. >>> I've >>> 
>tried, never successfully, to identify random 
>notes by clumsily >>> >>> banging random keys on 
>a piano and recording and then playing 
>back >>> >>> said recording, but only playing 
>back after a day or two so as not to >>> >>> be 
>able to recall, even if unable to identify notes 
>by name, at >>> least >>> the relative non tune 
>I'd "played." Am I making any >>> semblance 
>of >>> sense? Someone was all means please tell 
>me bluntly >>> if I've just >>> confused an 
>entire discussion list with gibberish and >>> 
>made a total >>> idiot of myself. I'm feeling 
>rather foolish posting >>> this. I'll go >>> 
>back to mostly monitoring; over and out. >>> >>> 
>Elizabeth [Beth] A. Smaligo, B.A., M.A. >>> Sent 
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