[Menvi-discuss] Music history textbooks

Bettie Downing bnbdowning70 at embarqmail.com
Wed May 8 11:46:00 EDT 2013


If a print page is scanned and then put into a braille translation program there are always errors.  That is why companies employ certified braille transcribers to proof the books.  When things are needed in a hurry the errors are there for you to discover!!


On May 8, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Kaiti Shelton wrote:

> I read Men of Music: Their Lives, Times, and Achievements, and while
> it's not exactly a music history textbook I thought it was very well
> done.  Although, David brings up a valid point to be on the lookout
> for editing errors.
> 
> On 5/8/13, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Bookshare generally does a good job with texts on music.
>> Sometimes the musical examples themselves are described,
>> sometimes not.  I read musicology texts sometimes, and I can
>> usually get the information I need without them anyway.  (The
>> Rest Is Noise, the text we used for twentieth century music,, for
>> example, had no examples; we got those from The Norton Anthology
>> of Western Music.  Couldn't get those scores into braille; it was
>> way too expensive for the vendor my disability services use to
>> transcribe.)
>> 
>> Kelby
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Goldstein - Resource Center"
>> <info2 at blindmusicstudent.org
>> To: "This is for discussing music and braille
>> literacy"<menvi-discuss at menvi.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 8 May 2013 10:49:30 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music history textbooks
>> 
>> There's nothing wrong with using audio when it's available.  I'd
>> suggest you
>> check with Learning Ally.  They have done several music history
>> books and
>> usually have someone at the piano to play parts of the score
>> talked about,
>> or a simplified version, that illustrates what it is about the
>> musical
>> passage that the book is drawing your attention to.  A score of a
>> symphony
>> can be in several huge volumes, and even working with a short
>> passage can be
>> awkward, because of all the lines for the orchestra instruments.
>> Perhaps you
>> can be creative in suggesting assignments on, say, the use of
>> woodwinds in a
>> particular movement, and specifically ask your student
>> transcribers to do
>> them.  Student transcribers may have difficulty writing out parts
>> for
>> multiple instruments, anyway.  When I studied English literature,
>> I usually
>> opted to concentrate on peotry, which I could find in braille,
>> but did the
>> longer reading using audio material.  That was before computers
>> and
>> displays.  I might do things a little differently now, but I
>> think the
>> principle still holds to get in braille what you can actually
>> read and work
>> with, rather than tons of material from which you would be
>> spending time
>> looking for just a few pages, while the rest are never touched.
>> I am
>> curious to know how Bookshare handles these.  I find so many
>> things that
>> aren't quite right in regular materials that I'd want to be sure
>> their
>> efforts in music would be usable.
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kaiti Shelton" <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
>> To: "This is for discussing music and braille literacy"
>> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 11:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music history textbooks
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Kelby,
>> 
>> I didn't think to look at Bookshare since I figured there would
>> be
>> musical examples in it, but I will definitely go ahead and get it
>> there.  Thanks for the tip.  My prof is the type that would be
>> totally
>> fine with it, although I may end up getting it in alternative
>> format
>> just so if he says, "Read pages 30-45 for homework tonight," I'll
>> be
>> able to do it without hunting through the book.  It might be good
>> for
>> a little reading over the summer to get my feet wet though.
>> I'm more auditory too; I can read scores, but my prof understands
>> that
>> reading braille music, much less a braille score, takes a lot
>> more
>> time than it does for a sighted person, and that when a fast
>> tempo
>> comes into play we can't just scan the page and keep up with
>> everything that is going on.  He has agreed to base my grade more
>> on
>> auditory observation, as long as I can back up my arguments, and
>> instead of doing huge score analysis assignments he's just going
>> to
>> give me extra listening ones.  We're planning on using the scores
>> to
>> augment the listening, but getting every little detail by
>> checking the
>> audio against the score won't be as heavily graded for me.
>> Guess the student transcribers will be kept very busy this year.
>> On
>> the plus for them I'm pretty sure I'll us these books in Mus hist
>> and
>> lit 2 as well.
>> 
>> On 5/7/13, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> You can get "A History of Western Music", on Bookshare, which is
>> the original (non-abridged) version of A Concise History of
>> Western Music.  (If you're professor is finewith it, of
>> course-mine was.) The anthologies aren't available, as far as I
>> know.
>> 
>> Also, am I a terrible person for not using scores a lot of the
>> time during listening assignments? (I'm a vocalist, read braille
>> music only enough to do choir, and find that looking at scores
>> is
>> usually more confusing than helpful.)
>> 
>> Kelby
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
>> To: menvi-discuss at menvi.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 7 May 2013 20:15:08 -0400
>> Subject: [Menvi-discuss] Music history textbooks
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> For those of you who have taken music history, far past or
>> fairly
>> recent to the present, have you used these books and/or know if
>> NLS
>> would have them?
>> 
>> Barbara Russano Hanning, Concise History of Western Music,
>> Fourth
>> Edition, ISBN 978-0-393-93251-5.  with accompanying music
>> anthologies:
>> Vol.  1: ISBN 978-0-393-93126-6; Vol.  2: ISBN
>> 978-0-393-93127-3;
>> Vol.
>> 3: ISBN 978-0-393-93240-9
>> 
>> I got lucky; I have a fabulous music history professor next
>> year,
>> and
>> together we're trying to locate as many of the materials we'll
>> need in
>> braille before we put in a request to disability services and
>> our
>> two
>> student braille music transcribers to tackle what's left.  We've
>> found
>> plenty of the scores we need for listening assignments, but
>> neither my
>> professor or I have had any luck finding these books at least
>> online.
>> I plan to call NLS tomorrow in the morning, unless of course
>> someone
>> here has already tried that and knows they're not available.
>> I'm
>> not
>> seeing anything online so I don't think they have them, but I
>> thought
>> I'd double check in case I can save the student transcribers
>> some
>> work...  three anthologies, even just the examples we use in
>> class/homework and nothing more, will probably still be a lot on
>> top
>> of the theory and sight singing music they already transcribe.
>> 
>> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
>> --
>> Kaiti
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