[Menvi-discuss] Music history textbooks

Kaiti Shelton crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
Wed May 8 11:42:47 EDT 2013


I read Men of Music: Their Lives, Times, and Achievements, and while
it's not exactly a music history textbook I thought it was very well
done.  Although, David brings up a valid point to be on the lookout
for editing errors.

On 5/8/13, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Bookshare generally does a good job with texts on music.
> Sometimes the musical examples themselves are described,
> sometimes not.  I read musicology texts sometimes, and I can
> usually get the information I need without them anyway.  (The
> Rest Is Noise, the text we used for twentieth century music,, for
> example, had no examples; we got those from The Norton Anthology
> of Western Music.  Couldn't get those scores into braille; it was
> way too expensive for the vendor my disability services use to
> transcribe.)
>
> Kelby
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Goldstein - Resource Center"
> <info2 at blindmusicstudent.org
> To: "This is for discussing music and braille
> literacy"<menvi-discuss at menvi.org
> Date sent: Wed, 8 May 2013 10:49:30 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music history textbooks
>
> There's nothing wrong with using audio when it's available.  I'd
> suggest you
> check with Learning Ally.  They have done several music history
> books and
> usually have someone at the piano to play parts of the score
> talked about,
> or a simplified version, that illustrates what it is about the
> musical
> passage that the book is drawing your attention to.  A score of a
> symphony
> can be in several huge volumes, and even working with a short
> passage can be
> awkward, because of all the lines for the orchestra instruments.
> Perhaps you
> can be creative in suggesting assignments on, say, the use of
> woodwinds in a
> particular movement, and specifically ask your student
> transcribers to do
> them.  Student transcribers may have difficulty writing out parts
> for
> multiple instruments, anyway.  When I studied English literature,
> I usually
> opted to concentrate on peotry, which I could find in braille,
> but did the
> longer reading using audio material.  That was before computers
> and
> displays.  I might do things a little differently now, but I
> think the
> principle still holds to get in braille what you can actually
> read and work
> with, rather than tons of material from which you would be
> spending time
> looking for just a few pages, while the rest are never touched.
> I am
> curious to know how Bookshare handles these.  I find so many
> things that
> aren't quite right in regular materials that I'd want to be sure
> their
> efforts in music would be usable.
>
> David
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kaiti Shelton" <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
> To: "This is for discussing music and braille literacy"
> <menvi-discuss at menvi.org
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 11:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Music history textbooks
>
>
> Hi Kelby,
>
> I didn't think to look at Bookshare since I figured there would
> be
> musical examples in it, but I will definitely go ahead and get it
> there.  Thanks for the tip.  My prof is the type that would be
> totally
> fine with it, although I may end up getting it in alternative
> format
> just so if he says, "Read pages 30-45 for homework tonight," I'll
> be
> able to do it without hunting through the book.  It might be good
> for
> a little reading over the summer to get my feet wet though.
> I'm more auditory too; I can read scores, but my prof understands
> that
> reading braille music, much less a braille score, takes a lot
> more
> time than it does for a sighted person, and that when a fast
> tempo
> comes into play we can't just scan the page and keep up with
> everything that is going on.  He has agreed to base my grade more
> on
> auditory observation, as long as I can back up my arguments, and
> instead of doing huge score analysis assignments he's just going
> to
> give me extra listening ones.  We're planning on using the scores
> to
> augment the listening, but getting every little detail by
> checking the
> audio against the score won't be as heavily graded for me.
> Guess the student transcribers will be kept very busy this year.
> On
> the plus for them I'm pretty sure I'll us these books in Mus hist
> and
> lit 2 as well.
>
> On 5/7/13, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com> wrote:
>  You can get "A History of Western Music", on Bookshare, which is
>  the original (non-abridged) version of A Concise History of
>  Western Music.  (If you're professor is finewith it, of
>  course-mine was.) The anthologies aren't available, as far as I
>  know.
>
>  Also, am I a terrible person for not using scores a lot of the
>  time during listening assignments? (I'm a vocalist, read braille
>  music only enough to do choir, and find that looking at scores
> is
>  usually more confusing than helpful.)
>
>  Kelby
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
>  To: menvi-discuss at menvi.org
>  Date sent: Tue, 7 May 2013 20:15:08 -0400
>  Subject: [Menvi-discuss] Music history textbooks
>
>  Hi everyone,
>
>  For those of you who have taken music history, far past or
> fairly
>  recent to the present, have you used these books and/or know if
>  NLS
>  would have them?
>
>  Barbara Russano Hanning, Concise History of Western Music,
> Fourth
>  Edition, ISBN 978-0-393-93251-5.  with accompanying music
>  anthologies:
>  Vol.  1: ISBN 978-0-393-93126-6; Vol.  2: ISBN
> 978-0-393-93127-3;
>  Vol.
>  3: ISBN 978-0-393-93240-9
>
>  I got lucky; I have a fabulous music history professor next
> year,
>  and
>  together we're trying to locate as many of the materials we'll
>  need in
>  braille before we put in a request to disability services and
> our
>  two
>  student braille music transcribers to tackle what's left.  We've
>  found
>  plenty of the scores we need for listening assignments, but
>  neither my
>  professor or I have had any luck finding these books at least
>  online.
>  I plan to call NLS tomorrow in the morning, unless of course
>  someone
>  here has already tried that and knows they're not available.
> I'm
>  not
>  seeing anything online so I don't think they have them, but I
>  thought
>  I'd double check in case I can save the student transcribers
> some
>  work...  three anthologies, even just the examples we use in
>  class/homework and nothing more, will probably still be a lot on
>  top
>  of the theory and sight singing music they already transcribe.
>
>  Any thoughts would be appreciated.
>  --
>  Kaiti
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