[Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?

Chris Smart csmart8 at cogeco.ca
Sat Apr 14 12:04:39 EDT 2012


Brandon, stop making excuses for them. he wants to do email, I can 
fluff my way through... forget all that.

Why ask for advice if you're not going to advocate for yourself and 
do what you need to get the education you were promised by these 
people?

At 11:48 AM 4/14/2012, you wrote:
>Hello,
>This is the only class in this extremely rich, but super lacking 
>music department. I did have the option of waiting until next 
>Spring and taking the class with another teacher, but I don't 
>think that's an option.
>And it's not a matter of him responding, he'll respond, but he'll 
>ask for email discussion rather than talking. Talking in person is 
>so much better on my end for getting accommodations.
>The dean of fine arts is the department chair I believe. And it's 
>not really the matter of me getting an A, because I can, but me 
>actually learning things. I already know enough that I can bluff 
>my way through the course by using an aid and not using music 
>Braille at all, but I learn nothing when I'm ear singing and less 
>than nothing when I'm listening to my other teacher lecture.
>I might consider challenging the class, but frankly I'm super 
>nervous about that because there are like 5 concepts I don't know. 
>(Although I could probably Google them)...
>It's so sad that 25 years ago this school was one of the most 
>renown music community colleges on the west coast and now they 
>have only the bare bones.
>Thanks,
>
>Brandon Keith Biggs
>-----Original Message----- From: Gillespie, Jeffrey
>Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:07 AM
>To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?
>
>Brandon:
>
>There's no excuse for this teacher's lack of accommodation for 
>you.  I teach ear training and have been for 20 years.  Finding 
>some things for you to sightsing two days in advance is extremely 
>easy to do. Even if the teacher can't provide every tune to you 
>two days in advance, at least some material can be given to 
>you.  The disability services coordinator also must step in and 
>make this happen, rather than tell you to take the course at 
>another school.  That cop out is even more problematic than the 
>aural skills instructor not helping you. In the end, you will 
>receive a grade in that class, even though it's a waste of your 
>time, and that grade will be on your permanent transcript.  The 
>school really is required to provide you with the materials for 
>class in a way that's accessible for you.  Right now they are not 
>in compliance.
>
>Is there another teacher you can switch to for this class?
>
>Jeff Gillespie
>Butler University
>________________________________________
>From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org 
>[menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] on behalf of Brandon Keith Biggs 
>[brandonboy13 at comcast.net]
>Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 1:00 AM
>To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?
>
>Hello,
>I'm running into some problems in my music theory/ear training class.
>Last class I talked to my new teacher and asked that she please 
>send all the
>musical handouts, especially sight singing handouts, to my 
>transcriber, at
>least 2 days in advance. She replied saying that she doesn't know 
>what she
>will be giving the class until 2 minutes before class, so she's 
>not quite
>sure how that would work. I told her that I'd be waiting my time 
>going to
>class then and she said she could try to email the things she 
>might have,
>but because this class was so much based on where the class was in 
>terms of
>skill level, handouts were based on what answers the class got 
>right that
>day...
>I'm a little confused as if I were a teacher I'd make sure my 
>curriculum
>extended way beyond what we ever could do, and I'd have everything all
>planned out, but this teacher says this is her first time teaching 
>this
>class, so she has no idea what is going to happen.
>Does anyone know what's the best way to handle something like 
>this? I've
>been trying to talk to the disability person, but she literally is 
>the only
>one handling the 1000+ disabled students in my ginormous college, 
>so I'm not
>sure I can talk to her about this until the middle of next week...
>I'd say I need to sit down and meet with the instructor and the 
>disability
>person, but that probably won't happen until 2 weeks from now.
>I'm heartily considering this class a colossal waist of my time 
>that I need
>for my major... (This is the same class that has that really 
>boring teacher
>who is talking about Blues and Jazz along with Mozart and Beethoven).
>I'm just totally baffled on what I should do. I've talked to the 
>teachers,
>I've talked to the dean and now thanks to this inability for me to
>participate I'm talking to the disability person.
>I talked to the disability person about this class being horrible last
>quarter, but all she could say was for me to go to another college 
>and take
>this course. I would do that, but this is one of two classes left 
>for my
>major and I have no interest in learning a new campus for 12 weeks.
>Please let me know if you have any suggestions.
>Thank you,
>
>Brandon Keith Biggs
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dale Lieser
>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:02 AM
>To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?
>
>Brandon,
>
>I, too, have had weird experiences with braille music notation and 
>braille
>displays. Of course they are not made for it, and trying to 
>translate as you
>have been is very hard, and will only become more so.
>
>It would take a learning curve, but using the Sibelius (print) 
>notation
>program, along with the Sibelius Access scripts, is a fast way to 
>write, and
>your teacher could read your input on your computer's monitor.
>Unfortunately, that might not be the solution for finishing out this
>quarter, but I urge you to look into getting Sibelius. It would 
>not only
>benefit you during college work, but ever after for simply jotting 
>down a
>line of vocals in a hurry, to achieving scores of your own full
>compositions.
>
>Dale
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>[mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Brandon 
>Keith Biggs
>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:35 PM
>To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?
>
>Hello,
>I'm wondering what PDAs you all use for reading and writing music?
>I'm using the Braille+ Mobil manager from APH and it stinks... It 
>doesn't
>have a Braille display and the battery life isn't that good, so I 
>turn it
>off when the teacher is talking and turn it back on to take down 
>notation.
>But my notation sounds like:
>ddn(th) jzyss
>and takes some time going through translation through my head. I 
>tried using
>
>a Braille display with it, but that takes some serious setting up 
>if you
>don't use it every time you turn on the unit and it also takes massive
>amounts of battery power. (The Braille+ is superior in audio to 
>anything
>that is out there, but in Braille display and battery life it fails).
>I'm wondering how the Apex works with Braille and how people use 
>Braille
>displays. I'm betting that the full note taker will be the choice 
>of most
>people, but I really want to hear opinions.
>Thanks,
>
>Brandon Keith Biggs
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Smart
>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:20 AM
>To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?
>
>Thanks Jeff. I will use that term in future - it's shorter too. :)
>
>At 01:06 PM 4/11/2012, you wrote:
>>Chris (and all):
>>
>>Not to be critical, but the official musical\theoretical term for 
>>it is
>>"audiation."  Means the same thing as what you describe!
>>
>>Jeff
>>________________________________________
>>From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org 
>>[menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] on
>>behalf of Chris Smart [csmart8 at cogeco.ca]
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:56 PM
>>To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>>Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?
>>
>>Andy, great post! Auditorializing is the term for this; think of it
>>as the sound version of visualizing.
>>Hear the note in your head, then try to sing or play it. :)
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>At 12:41 PM 4/11/2012, you wrote:
>> >One aspect of ear training that is very important is the ability
>> >to "hear"
>> >the note or chord in your head and analyze it without
>> >vocalization. This
>> >truly trains the ear. If you have to sing it to analyze it, your
>> >training is
>> >incomplete.
>> >-Andy
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>> >[mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org]On Behalf Of Debra Baxley
>> >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:00 AM
>> >To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
>> >Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?
>> >
>> >
>> >Our book was entitled, Ear-training and Sight-singing, so I guess
>> >that's why
>> >my teacher did this.
>> >
>> >Debra
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
>> >[mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Bettie 
>> Downing
>> >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:13 AM
>> >To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>> >Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?
>> >
>> >That's not cheating.  That's musicianship.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Apr 11, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
>> >
>> > > Well there's 35 kids in the class and only 2 of them are
>> > singers and only
>> >10 of them are musicians, so I think it is a little daunting for
>> >the other
>> >students to sing. My other theory teacher has us sing voice
>> >movement parts
>> >and the class epically fails at that, but I asked that we please
>> >be able to
>> >sing the intervals. (Although isn't that cheating? Because if you
>> >sing the
>> >interval of course you're going to know what it is...)
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > > Brandon Keith Biggs
>> > > -----Original Message----- From: Chris Smart
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:03 AM
>> > > To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>> > > Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?
>> > >
>> > > What? Ear Training without singing the notes? Is your teacher
>> > insane?
>> > >
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