[Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?

Dale Lieser dale.lieser at gmail.com
Sat Apr 14 07:09:39 EDT 2012


Brandon,

You definitely need to talk with the person chairing the music department.
Be polite but firm. What you have going should not be acceptable. 

-----Original Message-----
From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
[mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 1:01 AM
To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?

Hello,
I'm running into some problems in my music theory/ear training class.
Last class I talked to my new teacher and asked that she please send all the

musical handouts, especially sight singing handouts, to my transcriber, at 
least 2 days in advance. She replied saying that she doesn't know what she 
will be giving the class until 2 minutes before class, so she's not quite 
sure how that would work. I told her that I'd be waiting my time going to 
class then and she said she could try to email the things she might have, 
but because this class was so much based on where the class was in terms of 
skill level, handouts were based on what answers the class got right that 
day...
I'm a little confused as if I were a teacher I'd make sure my curriculum 
extended way beyond what we ever could do, and I'd have everything all 
planned out, but this teacher says this is her first time teaching this 
class, so she has no idea what is going to happen.
Does anyone know what's the best way to handle something like this? I've 
been trying to talk to the disability person, but she literally is the only 
one handling the 1000+ disabled students in my ginormous college, so I'm not

sure I can talk to her about this until the middle of next week...
I'd say I need to sit down and meet with the instructor and the disability 
person, but that probably won't happen until 2 weeks from now.
I'm heartily considering this class a colossal waist of my time that I need 
for my major... (This is the same class that has that really boring teacher 
who is talking about Blues and Jazz along with Mozart and Beethoven).
I'm just totally baffled on what I should do. I've talked to the teachers, 
I've talked to the dean and now thanks to this inability for me to 
participate I'm talking to the disability person.
I talked to the disability person about this class being horrible last 
quarter, but all she could say was for me to go to another college and take 
this course. I would do that, but this is one of two classes left for my 
major and I have no interest in learning a new campus for 12 weeks.
Please let me know if you have any suggestions.
Thank you,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message----- 
From: Dale Lieser
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:02 AM
To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?

Brandon,

I, too, have had weird experiences with braille music notation and braille
displays. Of course they are not made for it, and trying to translate as you
have been is very hard, and will only become more so.

It would take a learning curve, but using the Sibelius (print) notation
program, along with the Sibelius Access scripts, is a fast way to write, and
your teacher could read your input on your computer's monitor.
Unfortunately, that might not be the solution for finishing out this
quarter, but I urge you to look into getting Sibelius. It would not only
benefit you during college work, but ever after for simply jotting down a
line of vocals in a hurry, to achieving scores of your own full
compositions.

Dale


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:35 PM
To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?

Hello,
I'm wondering what PDAs you all use for reading and writing music?
I'm using the Braille+ Mobil manager from APH and it stinks... It doesn't
have a Braille display and the battery life isn't that good, so I turn it
off when the teacher is talking and turn it back on to take down notation.
But my notation sounds like:
ddn(th) jzyss
and takes some time going through translation through my head. I tried using

a Braille display with it, but that takes some serious setting up if you
don't use it every time you turn on the unit and it also takes massive
amounts of battery power. (The Braille+ is superior in audio to anything
that is out there, but in Braille display and battery life it fails).
I'm wondering how the Apex works with Braille and how people use Braille
displays. I'm betting that the full note taker will be the choice of most
people, but I really want to hear opinions.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs
-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:20 AM
To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?

Thanks Jeff. I will use that term in future - it's shorter too. :)

At 01:06 PM 4/11/2012, you wrote:
>Chris (and all):
>
>Not to be critical, but the official musical\theoretical term for it is
>"audiation."  Means the same thing as what you describe!
>
>Jeff
>________________________________________
>From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org [menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] on
>behalf of Chris Smart [csmart8 at cogeco.ca]
>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:56 PM
>To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
>Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?
>
>Andy, great post! Auditorializing is the term for this; think of it
>as the sound version of visualizing.
>Hear the note in your head, then try to sing or play it. :)
>
>Chris
>
>At 12:41 PM 4/11/2012, you wrote:
> >One aspect of ear training that is very important is the ability
> >to "hear"
> >the note or chord in your head and analyze it without
> >vocalization. This
> >truly trains the ear. If you have to sing it to analyze it, your
> >training is
> >incomplete.
> >-Andy
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
> >[mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org]On Behalf Of Debra Baxley
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:00 AM
> >To: 'This is for discussing music and braille literacy'
> >Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?
> >
> >
> >Our book was entitled, Ear-training and Sight-singing, so I guess
> >that's why
> >my teacher did this.
> >
> >Debra
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org
> >[mailto:menvi-discuss-bounces at menvi.org] On Behalf Of Bettie Downing
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:13 AM
> >To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
> >Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?
> >
> >That's not cheating.  That's musicianship.
> >
> >
> >
> >On Apr 11, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
> >
> > > Well there's 35 kids in the class and only 2 of them are
> > singers and only
> >10 of them are musicians, so I think it is a little daunting for
> >the other
> >students to sing. My other theory teacher has us sing voice
> >movement parts
> >and the class epically fails at that, but I asked that we please
> >be able to
> >sing the intervals. (Although isn't that cheating? Because if you
> >sing the
> >interval of course you're going to know what it is...)
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Brandon Keith Biggs
> > > -----Original Message----- From: Chris Smart
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 7:03 AM
> > > To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy
> > > Subject: Re: [Menvi-discuss] Ear Training Class Questions?
> > >
> > > What? Ear Training without singing the notes? Is your teacher
> > insane?
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